judiff (judiff) wrote in plural_watching,

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relataed to scizopheria?!!!

i was like half watching chaneel 4 news (uk) last night and there was a round up of silly science stuff and they said the BMJ had diagnosed Gollum as scizophenic (which they said was silly becos he's like a story) which we think is maybe fair enuff becos he is like pyscotic as well as plural and lots of (uk) doctors use scizopherina as like short hand for all psycotic illnesses and then said there was debate among Tolkien fans about whether he was scizopheric or had "related multiple personality disoder"!!!. I was so cross. (but after that there was a very cool chrocheted fractal thingy so i got a bit less cross)
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I'm not surprised. There has been a wave of anti-Tolkien sentiment among literati in England ever since Lord of the Rings was voted Book of the Century according to a poll of average (non-literati) readers.

I can't publish this in Pavilion the way you wrote it: let's see if I can clean it up a bit.



Playing a tragic character for laughs in true British fashion, BBC Channel Four, that paragon of high culture, reported on December 17, 2004, that the British Medical Journal had published a whimsical psychological analysis by psychiatric students. The subject was Gollum, the tortured creature from J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings.

Apparently using the character as he appears in Peter Jackson's film rather than Tolkien's original story, students at University College London were asked to provide a diagnosis for Gollum based on his behaviour. BBC4 incorrectly said that students declared Gollum "schizophrenic" -- a term that British medicine uses offhandedly for anyone with a thought disorder. The students actually pronounced Gollum schizoid, an unrelated condition which does not involve a thought disorder, but unusual interests and a strong desire to be alone.

BBC4 went on to state that Tolkien fans were engaged in debate as to whether Tolkien himself was schizophrenic or had multiple personality disorder. (Evidence of such debates would be appreciated.)

Please voice your opinions directly to BBC4 at:


Is that fair? If so, I shall post it on Pavilion.

Judiff, I thank you; I very much appreciate this report. Watch spelling and sentence structure; it's sometimes difficult to make out what you are saying, and I want to make sure that I understand your contributions. I was not aware that British doctors used "schizophrenic" as American doctors use "psychotic", as a catch-all for anyone with a thought disorder.
it wasn't BBC 4 it was channel 4 (i know it's confusing). And they specficlly said MPD was related to scizophenia Otherwise it's totaly right.
I don't think uk doctors are like meant to use schizophrenic to mean psychotic/thought disorder - it's not like offical policy - but it's what lots of them (most) do. Like someone we knew who was bipolar who had halcinations while he was very manic (which is pretty normal) was told he was scizoprehnic as well! And when we had PTSD flashbacks we were given a screening check to see if we weren't scizophenic (we were lucky and saw someone sensible who said it was just what you'd expect for PTSD). And media reports about canabis induceded phycosis usually use the word scizophenic too. When i say Gollum is psychotic i mean it as like a ring induceded version of drug induced psychosis.
I'm sorry that my writing is hard to follow - we're dyslexic and have non-verbal learning disability - eide is much better at making words make sense to other people but i was the one who was most angry about this, so i wrote it. (i like wish the lj spell checker was easier to use but copying is acatully harder for us than writing from our head).
I was not aware that British doctors used "schizophrenic" as American doctors use "psychotic", as a catch-all for anyone with a thought disorder
this is rather off-topic but a (aslso in the uk) friend of mine is a carer for one of her relatives who's just been diagnosed as scizophernic. My freind asked if the doctors were sure it was the right diagnosis and was told having two psychotic episodes equals scizophernia and there's no real piont trying to refine the diagnoisis ot to say it's some other kind of psychotic disoder because the treatment is the same whatever.
I think the acute treatment is going to be the same but in the longer time the precise diagnosis is quite important for getting the most helpful treatment/support.
We've acatully been well treated by the uk mental health system - mostly (although we wish there was more long term support) but hearing stuff like that makes us realise not everyone is so lucky.
Oh, and P.S. -- I shall have a bit more to say about Jackson's playing up of Gollum's "two sides" such as to appear multiple. This dichotomy is not nearly as exaggerated in the book. Other characters, notably Sam, dialogue with themselves, particularly when a decision has to be made. This was perfectly normal in Tolkien's day and did not indicate multiplicity. Rather, people who did it were seen as those who could simply see both sides of an issue and would work it out in this fashion.
of course, why does it have to be "one thing"
I find myself having the possiblity of having "gollum momments"

what ever that would be.
Because Jackson is not capable of perceiving or portraying subtlety, no matter how hard he tries.

I don't exactly dialogue with myself, but I do mutter a good deal. Perhaps a casual observer, one who did not know me well and who had multiplicity on his mind, might guess that I am multiple (in myself, not merely as a member of astraea); in fact, I am not. I've known plenty of self-dialoguers who are thoroughgoing singlets; it is a cultural thing, similar to Gollum's use of "we" in the book, which was a matter of regional dialect.